Curse

HalPlantagenet · Mar 21, 2007, 05:21 PM // 17:21

"Upon reaching the New World, Cortez burned all his ships. As a result his crew was well-motivated."

I'd like to thank the OP for his summary and several of the subsequent posters for thoughtful, well-considered comments.

I also want to thank Arenanet for a year and half of compelling gaming in the context of a deeply imagined and original world with a level of software reliability that is exceptional for any industry. The truth is many of us owe them much more than they will ever know.

For now, I'll reserve comment on Eye of the North or Guild Wars 2. I haven't seen the article yet and don't have sufficient information to even begin forming an opinion of their plans. Nevertheless, I have a question, that those who have read the article may be able to answer, and a couple of requests/suggestions for Guild Wars 2.

First the question: what I've read so far seems mostly a laundry list of features, some of which appear to address developing features/experiences similar to those in the current WOW release, "Burning Crusade." Beyond that has any over-arching theme or narrative been revealed? Is there anything that can be deduced about the aesthetic ambiance of Guild Wars 2 that can be deduced from any of the published imagery?

And the requests:

1) All three chapters of Guild Wars 1 strove to make narrative and history a meaningful and compelling element of the gaming experience, which I strongly applaud. My hope and request is that the team not abandon that strategy. No MMORPG has yet to even begin to tap the potential that is there.

2) GW2 is a new game, and, as previous posters have identified, will likely have professions and character aspects that are so different from GW1 that transferring characters would be nearly impossible. Nevertheless, it is my hope and request the Arenanet will give careful consideration to what could be done to provide coherence for the diligent, supportive players of the first franchise. Issues such as name transference, unique armor, unique heraldry and bonus weapons all deserve careful consideration.

For my part, I intend to follow GW2's development with care and wish the Arenanet team god's speed and good luck.

garethporlest18 · Mar 21, 2007, 05:21 PM // 17:21

I'd be happy that the gas car was cancelled and that I have my new hydrogen car because it saves money and doesn't donate to greenhouse gases actually El.

I put a lot of time into this game and I could careless. Guild Wars 2 is brand new, has nothing to do with Guild Wars and our characters from Guild Wars shouldn't be there. Lore connects, that is all.

Kisuro · Mar 21, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by El Panty Bandito

Tell me this...What is the point of playing Guild wars now if GW2 is coming out? Because if I start playing GW2, why would I continue to play GW1? Therefore, completely making GW1 useless.

Umm... Cause it's at least 2 more years before GW2 comes out? Just a reminder, GW is not even 2 years old yet, so saying that it is already dead seems a bit premature.

0siris · Mar 21, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

I'm sorry if this was mentioned already, but reading through 45 pages of pure flamage is something I really don't feel like doing...

What happened to the "expansions every 6 months" and "we're in this for the long-haul" Gaile?

garbage

Ninja Spectre · Mar 21, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

I don't claim to be "correct" in any sense, this is a company doing what it wants, although I am complaining. Amount of chapters? Thats a good question, to be honest no one expected it to last forever, although streaming updates would have made sense to me for longer then the few years it has been around. I am also not disapointed that GW2 is coming, I just hate what GW2 is about. Nullified PvP, Redundant efforts, and obviously more to come ridiculous complications. Anet can barely handle this game at the moment, so the best solution is to ditch it? Then also hope its entire customer base follows the new game where very little incentive is?

This isn't just about the chapters people were expecting, it's about the ingame updates. I would assume over 90% never made it past "half way done boss!"

4 things that would make me stop complaining entirely:
1) Huge discount when entering all 4 previous game keys online.
If you seriously can't transfer characters for w/e BS reason you can come up with, honor this.
2) Any extra's purchased such as character slots, remove them from GW1 and place them into GW2.
3) Attempt to make this game balanced, I mean seriously. Look at overpowered skills and underpowered ones. Get a feel for what you think is right, an average GvG match should last 15 minutes. Not 3-4 min when you see teams filled with Grenth dervish's and SF eles.
4) Every single thing you promised to place into GW1, I want to see better in GW2. If there is no auction house, FoW/UW, No ridiculous PvP over PvE control then any other game on the market now is better.

You talk alot of junk for what I posted. I have supported Anet since the start, I don't mention anywhere how I speak for the majority. Especially the silent, but I'm also sure you can take that mustasche and read some other posts if it didn't poke your eyes out.

Any huge corporation that just completely busts out in BS(someone said microsoft, at least they come up half arsed.) you might as well point to Enron, because this is seriously looking like a similar situation. A few wrong moves, and BS tries to get them out of the whole.

Lol lol lol the guy with the moustache you really got told... oooo dear, anyway I totally agree with this whole post except, for point (1)..Its unbelievable what anet is basically telling us...all your chars..pointless, I dont even have that many but I know people with many more who be will just as or even more angry and displeased, by this.

TsunamiTykunade · Mar 21, 2007, 05:29 PM // 17:29

I, for one, am glad that AreaNet are removing the camaign based gameplay- It has got repetitive and to be honest, rather dull.

I think that GW:EN and GW2 sound great. Ive always loved the idea of playable races and higher level caps, it adds depth to the game and makes it more enjoyable. I doubt ANet will make grinding a problem. I highly doubt that just by increasing the level cap; or indeed completely abolishing it, will make Guildwars the same as WoW at all.

So enough of this "Oh w7fz0rz, welcome to world of guildcraft" If you notice, nobody said you had to get GW2, to carry on playing. And nobody siad that ANet were going to stop updating GW1. I personally think leaving a great game because of a sequal is stupid and to be honest, rather childish.

So please, everyone, stop complaining and see guildwars for what it really is: A great game. And goodluck ANet

-Tsunami-

Miss Persephone · Mar 21, 2007, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

This game will just be like every other MMO ever created, except free and with cheap servers.

I agree completly. I see little to differenciate the game between anything else on offer.

I also agree that they should have announced GW:EN a lot earlier; I'm sure it will have some interesting content but I don't want to get too excited about it since it really is 'the end' of GW as such. Sure they will keep the servers running, but with no new content the game will get stale and people will stop playing.

Lonesamurai · Mar 21, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by 0siris

I'm sorry if this was mentioned already, but reading through 45 pages of pure flamage is something I really don't feel like doing...

What happened to the "expansions every 6 months" and "we're in this for the long-haul" Gaile?

garbage

As a guru Mod (Green = mod?), this comment shocks me completely

besides, gaile has stated before that they never once agreed to a 6 month release schedule, that was player rumour that got out of hand

Kisuro · Mar 21, 2007, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

I never said that, quite the contrary. My point is that this game is far superior than most other games in terms of game balance and mechanics, and had the potential to turn into a highly respected competitive game, yet it was marketed towards cheap PvEers, and is now turning into a cheaper version of WoW. That is my main complaint.

The PvErs make up the majority of the player base. It's only natural to make tha majority feel good, right? But i think it's simply to early to make harsh judgements.

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

Do you want to play a cheap WoW or a free unique PvE game that can be played both casually and competitively.

We know far too little about GW2 to know how it is going to turn out. But I think Anet realizes the strong points of GW and is not going to just throw them out the window. And being friendly towards casual players is a huge advantage.

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

The OP, maybe you should read it.

Did that. Couple of times. Nowhere does it say "we are making another WoW". It just boils down to "GW2 is going to be somewhat different from GW".

Kityn · Mar 21, 2007, 05:34 PM // 17:34

I am just not understanding why people are getting so upset over a game that will not even be out for another 2 years? For one thing we do not know even 1/10th of what this game is about,and yet people are acting like fools. The constant comparisons to WoW are just idiotic. From what I have read there is absolutely no comparison at all.

As for the level cap. A level 70 is not better than a level 30. Sure that level 70 may have access to some skills and some nice looking armors and or weapons. But that would not make that level 70 more powerful. Guild Wars has always been about skill over grind. GW2 will be the same.

As for races. Races have been in RPGs since the pen & paper RPGS of 20 and 30 years ago. WoW has nothing to do with it. RPG companies found out long ago that playing the same race over and over again would eventually lead to boredom. Races added spice to the moment for roleplayers. The way they would react to each other would be far differant in the way two humans would act. From a roleplayers point of view,Guild Wars needs playable races.

Here is a game that many of us love playing and yet many of these same people are unwilling to trust Anet. That makes no sense what so ever. Give Anet and their Dev team a break for gods sake. Just wait before making fools out of yourselves, at least untill we know more than 1/10th of what GW2 is about.

garethporlest18 · Mar 21, 2007, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Miss Persephone

I agree completly. I see little to differenciate the game between anything else on offer.

I also agree that they should have announced GW:EN a lot earlier; I'm sure it will have some interesting content but I don't want to get too excited about it since it really is 'the end' of GW as such. Sure they will keep the servers running, but with no new content the game will get stale and people will stop playing.

That's where Guild Wars 2 comes in. If you don't like Guild Wars 2, then too bad so sad for you. That's life, and well we don't mind if you move on to something else.

I'm sick of you people speculating that this is going to be an original game and just like any other MMO, because it won't be.

CR3AT0R · Mar 21, 2007, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by bug_out

Seriously, some of you really need to get a grip. You are complaining about features that are going into a game that is still AT LEAST 2 YEARS AWAY FROM GOING GOLD!!!!! Hell, the beta doesn't even drop for probably a year. Alot can, and probably will, change in that time. You all just need to relax.

Have you ever thought that ppl dont want to play GW anymore because they dontwant to put so much time into somthing thats going to go to shit in 2 years?

El Panty Bandito · Mar 21, 2007, 05:38 PM // 17:38

My point is, why continue to work/ build up your characters in Guild Wars now if you know for a fact they will be useless in 2 years or so time? Who really cares about a Hall of Monuments? Are people going to sit there and go, wow this guy worked really hard. Lets talk about him for hours! no....

Inde · Mar 21, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I'll remind everyone again. Please keep your comments constructive, on topic and contributing. Do not spam, post one-liners or engage in flamewars or leave insulting comments (whether to another person or the community as a whole) in your posts.

HalPlantagenet · Mar 21, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

As a guru Mod (Green = mod?), this comment shocks me completely

besides, gaile has stated before that they never once agreed to a 6 month release schedule, that was player rumour that got out of hand

I respectfully disagree. The source of the 6-month strategy was a clearly identified Arenanet representative (Jeff Strain?) in a published interview. I posted the comment and a reference on an earlier thread here. Do a Web search.

Ms. Gray's subsequent comments were clearly revisionist. And that's all beside the point, now. "Welcome to the real world."

Miss Persephone · Mar 21, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

I really think ANet enjoy this, releasing half bits of information and causing much uproar. A thirteen page article, yes, but it doesn't address the most important ones people have.

The death knoll has sounded for GW1...no auction house, no more emotes, no changing appearances, all these things we've asked for for a very long time. Instead BUY OUR NEW GAME to experience all these great features. Cunning, oh yes, very cunning indeed. You will note how they 'listened to the players' to see what they wanted improved...but only very selectively.

garethporlest18 · Mar 21, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by CR3AT0R

Have you ever thought that ppl dont want to play GW anymore because they dontwant to put so much time into somthing thats going to go to shit in 2 years?

Well you are only doing it for fun right? So if you're getting your fun from it, it's not really a waste is it? Not for me. Nothing will go away, take screenshots and save it for yourself. All things come to an end, oh well.

Smurf Minions · Mar 21, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

They will not stop updating GW1, look at how few players lineage 2 still has after years, but they're still updating it. So they won't stop updating GW as every other mmo that still haves enough players will be updated.

Tark Alkerk · Mar 21, 2007, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by El Panty Bandito

My point is, why continue to work/ build up your characters in Guild Wars now if you know for a fact they will be useless in 2 years or so time? Who really cares about a Hall of Monuments? Are people going to sit there and go, wow this guy worked really hard. Lets talk about him for hours! no....

hell why should you even bother getting up in the morning?
why should you even start playing the game because in five or so years time the servers are going to close?
why should buy a house, because the chances are that it might get knockdown in a few years time by freak wrecking ball accident?

genesis and decay...

Kisuro · Mar 21, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by El Panty Bandito

My point is, why continue to work/ build up your characters in Guild Wars now if you know for a fact they will be useless in 2 years or so time? Who really cares about a Hall of Monuments? Are people going to sit there and go, wow this guy worked really hard. Lets talk about him for hours! no....

But even if you played since the release of the game it's not even been 2 years. You still have double that. Besides it has been stated that GW servers will not be shutting down. You can play to your heart's content.